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Thoughts on the ComPac 27 vs the Island Packet 27?Any advice most welcome! Boat would initially be in Biscayne Bay then Seattle. Thanks! ![sailboat island packet 27](https://www.sailnet.com/d1/avatars/s/213/213241.jpg?1592288372) I agree with Sal. Thanks... ![sailboat island packet 27](https://www.sailnet.com/d1/avatars/s/540/540617.jpg?1660071290) They are very similar boats, both good build quality although I think the IP's are the better of the two. They are beamy and shallow so they don't sail like club racer but they are comfortable and roomy. I would not hesitate on to buy either one. Over the years I have found when your talking about older boats and you are on a budget that condition is everything. Thanks. Quality and upkeep is very important to me and living in Florida, having a way to get it out of the way of a storm is critical. I've looked at an IP for 20+k and a Compac at 30k I was close on a C-25 last year but it had a nest of issues and to make it right I'd have double my purchase price in it. Appreciate the input. ![sailboat island packet 27](https://www.sailnet.com/d1/avatars/s/145/145551.jpg?1592288370) CP27 is a long fin keel with a spade rudder, and the IP27 is a (almost) full keel with a barn door attached rudder. I haven't driven either one, but would guess the CP would be easier to get in and out of a marina. The IP is a cutter rig, which some would like for it's sail reducing options and other would not because it is harder to tack. Reversed actually.. The CP is a 'semi fin' SailboatData.com - COM-PAC 27/2 Sailboat and the IP has the cutaway full keel SailboatData.com - ISLAND PACKET 27 Sailboat The Compac is lighter by 2000 lbs and has 3500 lbs ballast The IP27 is 2,000 lbs. heavier but has only 4,000 lbs. ballast I haven't sailed a Compac, but I chartered an IP 29 in Florida, and mostly motored. The problem with any heavy displacement, long keel boat is that the keel generates a great deal of drag. In a breeze they can sail fairly nicely, but in moderate to light air, you're frequently relegated to motoring. The only way to overcome that is to pile on sail area in moderate winds, such as a 180% genoa or a symmetrical or assym spinnaker. That makes them more work to sail. The most significant difference I see between the IP27 and the Compac 27 is their displacement. The IP displaces a full ton more than the Compac. That means it will take even more sail power to drive it than the Compac. Between those two, I would choose the Compac for that reason, but my choice for a general purpose coastal cruiser would be a lighter weight fin keel boat with about 4' draft that can be sailed in a wide range of conditions with a mainsail and roller furling jib. My preference would be a boat with fractional rig. ![sailboat island packet 27](https://www.sailnet.com/d1/avatars/s/0/276.jpg?1669676471) The title of this thread should probably either be, if there were only Compac 27's or IP 27's in the world which would you pick or else should include a third choice:; "None of the above", which I will explain once I have commented on the original question. Both of these boats were designed by Bob Johnson and each represent a similar but not really the same thought process. The Island Packet emphasized maximum living space for a given length, and a nice level of fit and finish. The Compac threw in the factors of reasonable cost and decent sailing ability. The similarities would be that each have long shoal draft keels. Each have post hung spade rudders (Someone above mistakely said that the IP had a keel hung rudder. That is not the case) Each have long waterlines for their length. Each have round bottoms with minimal initial stability or damping. But this is where the differences become important. The ComPac has a narrower waterline beam and less surface area so it will have a lot less drag than the Island Packet, It can therefore get by with less sail area in any condition. The Compact has a finer bow and so will do better beating or close reaching into a chop The ComPac has a significantly higher ballast ratio. This is especially critical on a shoal draft keel, that uses low density ballast (as is the case with both of these boats). The rudder on the Island Packet is almost the same depth as the keel making it especially vulnerable in a grounding, and the strap between the keel and the end of the rudder post (which adds absolutely nothing structurally) makes the Island Packet rudder even more vulnerable in a grounding. The ComPac has external chainplates making inspection and maintenance pretty easy. The Island Packet 27 uses internal chainplates that are glassed into the hull. While both only make sense as cost savings construction techiques, the glassed in chainplates on the Island Packet 27 are extremely invasive and expensive to replace, and given that the newest Island Packet 27 is now over 30 years old, the chainplates have now reached the end of their 'best used by' date, On almost all counts the Compac should offer better sailing ability, ease of handling, motion comfort, and seaworthiness. I have not sailed one so I don't know that from experience, but just from looking at the design. I have sailed a IP27. They don't sail well in what I would consider light to moderate conditions. (3-10 knots or wind). The do start to come alive around 10 knots of wind, but get over powered around 15 knots or so with the genoas that are typically used on these boats. By overpowered, I mean that they develop excessive weather helm and heel angles. At that point they need to be reefed. Without running the engine, I found it almost impossible to tack the IP in light to moderate winds when there was even small chop present. Tacking in a heavier breeze was a little more reliable but did not always happen on the first try, and inevitably meant excessive grinding to get the genoa in with marginally undersized winches. The reasons that I suggested that the correct answer should be "none of the above' is that both of these boats have the same fatal flaw. Both have steel ballast set in concrete, (I have seen contradictory information on the ComPac suggesting that ComPac may have changed ballast material at some point.) Ignoring the loss of stability issue from low density ballast in a shoal draft boat, the problem with steel in concrete is that sooner or later moisture will get to the steel, and so sooner or later the steel will rust and expand. And sooner or later the expanded steel will blow apart the concrete holding the ballast together. And at some point the cost of dealing with that mess will become untenable. And that is a tough condition to detect in a survey until its too late. But beyond that, these are both cult boats. They tend to have asking prices which make no sense in terms of their build quality, space onboard, sailing ability, seaworthiness, ease of handling and so on. If you came to this discussion with a blank list of boats and the only information provided is "I plan to sail in Biscayne Bay then Seattle and have $24,000 to spend", I would respectfully suggest that neither of those boats would be on a list of potential candidates. Jeff . Jeff_H said: The title of this thread should probably either be, if there were only Compac 27's or IP 27's in the world which would you pick or else should include a third choice:; "None of the above", which I will explain once I have commented on the original question. Both of these boats were designed by Bob Johnson and each represent a similar but not really the same thought process. The Island Packet emphasized maximum living space for a given length, and a nice level of fit and finish. The Compac threw in the factors of reasonable cost and decent sailing ability. The similarities would be that each have long shoal draft keels. Each have post hung spade rudders (Someone above mistakely said that the IP had a keel hung rudder. That is not the case) Each have long waterlines for their length. Each have round bottoms with minimal initial stability or damping. But this is where the differences become important. The ComPac has a narrower waterline beam and less surface area so it will have a lot less drag than the Island Packet, It can therefore get by with less sail area in any condition. The Compact has a finer bow and so will do better beating or close reaching into a chop The ComPac has a significantly higher ballast ratio. This is especially critical on a shoal draft keel, that uses low density ballast (as is the case with both of these boats). The rudder on the Island Packet is almost the same depth as the keel making it especially vulnerable in a grounding, and the strap between the keel and the end of the rudder post (which adds absolutely nothing structurally) makes the Island Packet rudder even more vulnerable in a grounding. The ComPac has external chainplates making inspection and maintenance pretty easy. The Island Packet 27 uses internal chainplates that are glassed into the hull. While both only make sense as cost savings construction techiques, the glassed in chainplates on the Island Packet 27 are extremely invasive and expensive to replace, and given that the newest Island Packet 27 is now over 30 years old, the chainplates have now reached the end of their 'best used by' date, On almost all counts the Compac should offer better sailing ability, ease of handling, motion comfort, and seaworthiness. I have not sailed one so I don't know that from experience, but just from looking at the design. I have sailed a IP27. They don't sail well in what I would consider light to moderate conditions. (3-10 knots or wind). The do start to come alive around 10 knots of wind, but get over powered around 15 knots or so with the genoas that are typically used on these boats. By overpowered, I mean that they develop excessive weather helm and heel angles. At that point they need to be reefed. Without running the engine, I found it almost impossible to tack the IP in light to moderate winds when there was even small chop present. Tacking in a heavier breeze was a little more reliable but did not always happen on the first try, and inevitably meant excessive grinding to get the genoa in with marginally undersized winches. The reasons that I suggested that the correct answer should be "none of the above' is that both of these boats have the same fatal flaw. Both have steel ballast set in concrete, (I have seen contradictory information on the ComPac suggesting that ComPac may have changed ballast material at some point.) Ignoring the loss of stability issue from low density ballast in a shoal draft boat, the problem with steel in concrete is that sooner or later moisture will get to the steel, and so sooner or later the steel will rust and expand. And sooner or later the expanded steel will blow apart the concrete holding the ballast together. And at some point the cost of dealing with that mess will become untenable. And that is a tough condition to detect in a survey until its too late. But beyond that, these are both cult boats. They tend to have asking prices which make no sense in terms of their build quality, space onboard, sailing ability, seaworthiness, ease of handling and so on. If you came to this discussion with a blank list of boats and the only information provided is "I plan to sail in Biscayne Bay then Seattle and have $24,000 to spend", I would respectfully suggest that neither of those boats would be on a list of potential candidates. Jeff . Click to expand... We purchased a new ComPac 27 in 1986 for around $38,000 at that time I believe that the IP 27's were selling for around $60,000. Though I have never personally priced a new IP 27. I sailed that boat for four years on the Pamlico Sound and its associated rivers. We purchased another '86 ComPac 27 in 2012 for $4200 and eventurally spent $12000(+) fixing it up and sailed it for four more years, again on the Pamlico. During that time I sailed for a 10-15 days on Lake Superior on an IP-27. From a quarter of a mile both boats look remarkably the same, unless you can see the inter stay or stay sail on the IP-27. Jeff_H is right on. -IP fit & finish is well ..... Island Packet. Very nice and comfortable. -The IP-27 sails like a pig and points poorly in 15+ knots of wind. However, I did have a better choice of hank-on sails for the ComPac to match up with varying wind(s). The best point of sail for the CP-27 was reaching or down wind with little chop. -You want to keep the bilge dry in the CP-27. If you buy one up north, where it freezes, you may very well have the ballast problem that Jeff_H speaks of. I have never had any problems with the ballast in 7 or so years of sailing (Southern) '86 CP-27's -The CP-27 was very easy to work on. Superb engine, drive train, steering, and systems accessibility. Removing a few pieces of plywood that separate locker stuff from engine stuff, you can pretty well crawl all around the space under the cockpit. -New ComPac-27's cost well over $100,000 last time I checked and their fit and finish is much better. I have heard that the hulls were actually produced by IP which is located just down the street from Hutchins in Clearwater, FL. - I got tired (and a little older) of getting beat up on the Pamlico in 20+ knots of wind. The CP-27 really pounds with its flat forward sections. Sold it for $15,000 and bought our PS-34. I have been a happier sailor on the Pamlico for the past 4 years. regards charlie ![sailboat island packet 27](https://www.sailnet.com/d1/avatars/s/559/559353.jpg?1694026671) Actually, the keel on the C27 is lead and concrete, not steel or iron. No rust issues. Ideally, it would be cast lead glassed in, which it is not. Compac used lead ingots covered in concrete. My 1986 C27 has been living in Maryland and Virginia, on the Chesepeake Bay, and never had an issue with the keel, ballast, etc. Thanks for the insight(s)! I learn a lot from you all! ![sailboat island packet 27](https://www.sailnet.com/d1/avatars/s/560/560731.jpg?1701611053) In the past I have owned and enjoyed sailing a Morgan Tiger Cub (Charlie Morgan’s first production boat), Cape Dory 28 and a Pearson 34, among a few others. While I’ve never owned an IP, I have sailed on several. All were good boats. Curently I own a Compac 23 and a Compac 27. I agree with most of what has been shared about Compacs and would add one very important difference between them and other boats. Compac is still in business under ownership by the same family since 1974 or so. Any part or piece or answer to specific build or repair questions can easily be obtained by a call or email to Gerry Hutchins, the current owner. I’ve not owned a boat that the manufacturer was still around until I purchased the Compacs. Hmmmm, other than that the CP is a great boat with a longevity re cord that matches. 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5 posts in this topicRecommended posts, vuhtran 1. So, does anyone know if it is absolutely critical to have the invitation to get into the embassy? We have downloaded the interview schedule and have the paperwork from the NVC which has the case number on it. Any help is appreciated. Link to commentShare on other sites. ![sailboat island packet 27 Kazan' Tiger](https://static.visajourney.com/images/uploads/profile/photo-thumb-38047.jpg) Kazan' Tiger 1My fiancée only had to state her name. As long is her name is the list of appointments for the day, you should be fine. Jeffery AND Alla. 0 kilometers physically separates us! K-1 Visa Granted... Wednesday, 21 May 2008 Alla ARRIVED to America... Wednesday, 12 November 2008 Chuckles 0Same. The paper wasn't necessary. K1 Visa Process long ago and far away... 02/09/06 - NOA1 date 12/17/06 - Married! AOS Process a fading memory... 01/31/07 - Mailed AOS/EAD package for Olga and Anya 06/01/07 - Green card arrived in mail Removing Conditions 03/02/09 - Mailed I-751 package (CSC) 03/06/09 - Check cashed 03/10/09 - Recieved Olga's NOA1 03/28/09 - Olga did biometrics 05/11/09 - Anya recieved NOA1 (took a call to USCIS to take care of it, oddly, they were helpful) ![sailboat island packet 27 :)](https://static.visajourney.com/images/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png) Thanks everyone for the good feedback. My Irina is now on the train to Moscow and will go to the Medical clinic tomorrow. ![sailboat island packet 27 sailboat island packet 27](https://static.visajourney.com/images/question-tiny.png) Create an account or sign in to commentYou need to be a member in order to leave a comment Create an accountSign up for a new account in our community. It's easy! Already have an account? Sign in here. - Existing user? Sign In
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ISLAND PACKET 27. Save to Favorites . Beta Marine. BOTH. US IMPERIAL. METRIC. Sailboat Specifications Definitions Hull Type: Long Keel: Rigging Type: Cutter: LOA: 26.50 ft / 8.08 m: ... Kelsall Sailing Performance (KSP): Another measure of relative speed potential of a boat. It takes into consideration "reported" sail area, displacement and ...
Construction. Step aboard this 27-footer and there's no "bobbly" smallboat sensation. At 8,000 pounds she sits solid in the water. The Island Packet 27 displaces as much as 3,000 pounds more than rival auxiliaries of her size and averages about 1,500 pounds heavier than the boats available in her class in 1980.
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Island Packet 27 is a 26′ 6″ / 8.1 m monohull sailboat designed by Robert K. Johnson and built by Island Packet Yachts between 1984 and 1992. ... The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more. Formula. D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³ D: Displacement of the boat in ...
The Island Packet 27 is an American sailboat that was designed by Robert K. Johnson as a cruiser and first built in 1984. Production. The design was built by Island Packet Yachts in the United States between 1984 and 1992. A total of 243 examples were completed, but it is now out of production. Design ...
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The Island Packet 27 features the highly successful Island Packet design concept that combines a modern full keel with handsome traditional styling, a versatile, easily managed rig, and an unusually spacious interior. ... Sailboat Listings: Boat Trader This Website Is Not Affiliated With Nor Operated By Island Packet and Seaward Yachts, LLC ...
1989 Island Packet 27. US$31,000. ↓ Price Drop. East Coast Yacht Sales | Spruce Head, Maine. Request Info; New Arrival; 2001 Island Packet 380. US$194,500. SYS Yacht Sales | Port Charlotte, Florida. ... Type of yachts by Island Packet. This builder offers boat hull types including monohull, displacement, catamaran and deep vee that are ...
The 1987 Island Packet 27 is an extraordinary offering that is ready to embark on your dream voyages. This cruising sailboat provides an exceptional opportunity to set sail and explore the waters in style and comfort.Equipped with an extensive list of cruising equipment, this Island Packet 27 is fully prepared for your adventures.
27'. 10'6'. 3'8'. Maryland. $32,500. Description: WELL MAINTAINED & COMFORTABLE A Classic pocket cruiser with much more elbow room than you would expect. She will take you just about anywhere you would want to go in comfort and safety and with surprising performance. The 27 is the perfect family cruiser with room to sleep 4 - 6.
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27' Island Packet 27. Year. Length. Beam. Draft. Location. Price. 1985. 27' 10-6' 2-8' Florida. $34,900. Description: She spent her first years in the New England area. Since 2009 she has been at my dock in the winter months. Hauled out in May and launched in Nov. ... Featured Sailboat Added 07-May-2024 Home. Register & Post. View All Sailboats.
Reversed actually.. The CP is a 'semi fin' SailboatData.com - COM-PAC 27/2 Sailboat and the IP has the cutaway full keel SailboatData.com - ISLAND PACKET 27 Sailboat. The Compac is lighter by 2000 lbs and has 3500 lbs ballast. The IP27 is 2,000 lbs. heavier but has only 4,000 lbs. ballast. Show more replies.
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Steal this sailboat! Twenty seven foot Island Packet, 1985. Mint condition. Good sails and canvas work. Low engine hours. Well maintained engine. New anti fouling paint. New bilge. New batteries. ... This Island Packet 27/CT : Added 03-Oct-2023 Island Packet Sailboats Island Packet 27s Virginia Island Packets. Featured Sailboats: Home.
Question for the group. My fiance Irina has her interview on June 6 in Moscow BUT, we never received the Packet in teh mail from the embassy. We got a download of all of tghe paperwork required for her interview online and had everything filled out. Talking with my friend John whos wife had gone ...
1988. 27'. 10' 6'. 3'8'. Florida. $39,900. Description: Celestial is a beautiful example of Island Packets best selling pocket cruiser.
27'. '. '. Florida. $33,000. Description: If you are looking for a classic and comfortable sailboat, look no further than the 1989 Island Packet 27. This boat has a spacious and cozy interior, a well-equipped galley, and a large cockpit for relaxing and enjoying the breeze. The Island Packet 27 is easy to handle, stable, and seaworthy.
10.5'. 3.6'. Virginia. $34,000. Description: If you're looking for a classic and comfortable sailboat, look no further then the 1986 Island Packet 27. The boat has a spacious and cozy interior, a well-equip galley, and a large cockpit for relaxing and enjoying the breeze. The Island Packet 27 is easy to handle, single-handedly and seaworthy.
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