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Ryde Model Yacht Club was established in 1874, racing Marbleheads we have a healthy fleet racing every Sunday morning, friendly members and fun to watch

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Address : Canoe lake, PO33 Ryde, Portsmouth, United Kingdom

Where is located? 50.72977 , -1.14876 (GPS Coordinates)

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In the early days it was referred to as the 50-800 class, 50 inches long and 800 sq inch sail area.
In 1936, the model yacht club in Hamburg promoted a series of model yacht races in conjunction with the Olympic Games held in Berlin that summer. The aim was, I think, to promote model yachting as a potential Olympic sport. Luckily we have been spared that development.

Races were offered for the A class and for Marbleheads. The M had been recognised in the USA and was growing in popularity there, but had hardly started to make headway in Europe. In the UK, Ryde Model Yacht Club on the Isle of Wight were amongst the first to see the potential and adopt the class (for the "Town Cup" regatta held on the 13th August 1936 they had an entry of seventeen boats to the 50-800 class). They also held the first, unofficial, national championship for the class in 1937.

Bill Daniels, the leading British skipper of his generation, was going to take an A boat to Hamburg and win that competition, which he did sailing Fusilier, owned by Lt. Colonel Ian Dennistoun. So that he would have something to sail in the M races, he borrowed an M named Vectis from Mr Pragnell of the Ryde club but made no impression with it. The report of the race by Lt. Colonel Holden states she "was lifeless in the prevailing conditions". As she was a conversion from another class, her displacement appeared far too great for the sail area permitted by the rules. She would probably have been dangerous if there had been a blow. This is a rather poor quality image of Bill with the boat in Hamburg.

This is a rather poor quality image of Bill with the boat in Hamburg

Recently a boat came up at auction, called Vectis. She comes from the Isle of Wight, and her number, 7, shows that she was one of the early Ryde boats, which were given numbers 1 to 20 when the MYA recognised the class in 1938. She too was first registered in the name of H.L.Pragnell, designed by Daniels and was built by a Mr T. King. Her design shows that she is to the Pocohontas design having a beam of 9.25inches and design displacement of 14.5 lbs. She is clearly not the boat which Bill Daniels took to Hamburg but is an interesting example of early Marblehead design ideas in Britain.

We also have images of another early Marblehead design now called Lycia , again known to have come from the Ryde club and with the definite stamp of a Daniels design. She is beautifully built and is reminiscent of Daniels' craftsmanship. Remarkably this model has a beam of 11.25 inches and a displacement of 16.5lbs. She measures exactly 50 inches with no indication whatsoever of any surgical conversion. Could this have been the Marblehead which Daniels borrowed from Pragnall and took to Hamburg?

Though we can't be certain, one possibility is that the boat that went to Hamburg was an M reduced from a design for another class, possibly even an A boat; this might account for the very wide beam and, for the period, heavy displacement.

Compare the photos of Lycia with the picture of Daniels with the M in Hamburg. Bill Bithell from the USA, now aged 93, took the Hamburg photo; he has seen the pictures of Lycia and says he is 95% certain she is one and the same boat.

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There's a club in Ryde who have a cracking lake just off the seafront, up the far end. I have a standing invitation to sail the Akula there whenever we go over.

We've been twice this year so far, normally go at least half a dozen times a year. Plan is to move over there soon, probably Sandown ish.

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Hi The Isle of Wight Model Engineering society is where you need to go, its on the web. We have our own pond, clubhouse and many sizes of railways. l am a model boater my self and I,m sure you will be welcomed. The venue is in Cowes not far from the roundhouse. Yours spindrift. (Clive).

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Classic Pond Yachts

Two Wampum II Marblehead yachts. GRP hulls with radio gear.

I bought these from Beale Park some time ago, but only started working on them in the last couple of weeks. The Wampum II was designed by James A Potter in 1935, It won the first national championships  in England, run by the Ryde Model Yacht club, on the Isle of Wight, as an unofficial National Championships in 1937, the class was not at that time recognised  by the MYA, there were 9 boats entered, Wampums won the first 3 places,  so a good design. These boats have been built from a GRP hull as a recent copy, apparently several of these designs have been built, so hopefully we will see some more. I bought one model for me, and one for a friend, to be taken to Vintage  meetings, but I wanted them to look more like an old boat, so changes are being made. The one thing I wanted to keep was the radio control, I want to be able to take the boats out and sail them any where, I just want them to look more like the original design. Pictures below of the boats as bought, changes will be Varnished Dacron sails, to the original size, rudders more like the original ones behind the skeg, remove the modern long alloy track for the jib sheet and forestay fitting, fit old style forestay track etc.

Below are the original plan and rig size.

Here is the picture of the original rig, the new Varnished Dacron sails are being made by Catsails to these sizes. As can be seen they are different sizes to the existing sails.

Here is the original hull drawing, I will make new rudders as per the drawings, it may make the boat harder to steer, but I think it will make sailing them more fun.

I started  working on these  Wampum's To get myself back into a position where I could do the work, also the work involved with these boats was fairly basic so good training, the pictures below are of what has been happening-

The first job was to remove all the old deck gear, deck patches etc. Sand back the varnish and the timber trim around the hull, and apply two coats of varnish ready to fit new deck gear.

Sanding back the deck on the second boat.

One of the things I did not like was the position of the rudder servo, I am moving it closer to the rudder to make the steering work better, before the steering cables were too long and went through too many angles. These are the fittings to fit the steering servo under the deck.

The aft deck cutout is just ahead of the tubes that allow the steering cables to run from the rudder servo and connect to the new brain gear steering fittings, although the servo is further aft, the cable is much shorter and does not run through so many tight angles to run through the rudder tubes, I guess with the servo being further aft, it has moved some weight aft, but the steering will work much better. 

This was the old rudder quadrant, with rusty connectors for steering cable.

New Sails ETC brain steering system, just to try and make the boat look older.

Another Sails Etc fitting, a new jib forestay track.

This picture shows the old long track to take the jib forestay and jib sheet line, the new one looks older, still got to fit the sheeting eye.

Nigel at Catsails will be making the new sails shortly, I have some new mast tubes on the way, going to paint the new masts cream, next job to fit the rudder servo mounts. More pictures to come.

24 July 21 - I am afraid that I missed some pictures, but boat now looking good. I had a problem trying to get the Brain steering systems to work, as the pin holes are to far forward of the rudder shaft I found it impossible to get the cables from the rudder servo to word well, in the end I bought some new rudder controls. Some pictures of work to date-

Rudder servo fitted, new steering arm fitted and steel steering cables fitted, the deck eye is so take the main sheet cable, the crossing steering cables seem to work well, and keep  the mainsheet clear of the steering cables.

New rudder section ready to cut out, rudder blades made out of three sections of ply, grain running in different  direction in the center.

Stainless rudder tube cut out, I drilled holes in the shaft and fitted stainless bolts to secure blade.

Here both rudder blades glued together over stainless bolts, glued together with epoxy, clamped together.

One of the rudders glued up ready to shape.

Once the rudders were sanded to shape I painted them, both boats different colours, I had to try and mix paint to get close to correct colours. Both boats below. 

I picked up some new alloy mast tubes, sanded them pack, primed with etch primer, sanded back and painted them white. I also removed the old mast gooseneck fittings from the old mast  and painted them white then fitted them to the new masts.

New mast with old gooseneck fittings fitted, also made new boom and jib boom in timber.

New jib boom fitted.

A picture of the main boom, notice that the mast is in a new mast position to move it forward for the new rig to the original design.

New mast step position marked and pilot hole drilled.

Fwd mast hole drilled, ready for the  timber to be sanded and re varnished.

Stainless gooseneck fitting epoxied into main boom.

Main boom outhaul system fitted to boom.

Main boom kicker and sheet fittings.

Jib boom jib luff fitting.

Jib boom outhaul fitting, and topping lift line.

Pictures below of the boat with new sails, only a few things to finish and she can go sailing, we have two of these to play with.

The picture of the boat as collected, the smaller rudder lots more like the original but, I don't know if I will still be able to steer, I suspect she will be fine, but you will have to adjust the sails to steer. The sails are to the original 1930s design, mast is shorter, the main boom longer and the jib boom shorter and the jib lower, I think she looks more original, I will take some videos of her sailing on the Hamble River.

At the start of the Vane A class national championships first week in August, the first day  coincided with 100 years since Walpole Park was opened, when the A class stopped for lunch, we sailed some older style model yachts, my Wampum was one of them, did not get videos, but did have some pictures taken by a Gosport club member, thank you.

Great photos she looked really nice and sailed beautifully , getting the second Wampum ready to sail. I am hoping to get her going for next week.

14 September 21 - Second Wampum ready to sail, I think she looks'  better than the first blue one, pictures of her in the front garden here, we will take them both sailing on the Hamble River and take some more pictures as soon as we can.

This one for a friend of mine, I think she looks great, next Sunny day with a nice breeze, and when the tides are up, and when we are allowed out, easy really !! I will take some pictures of them sailing together, I think they look really nice, much more vintage !!

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The Marblehead 50/800 Class

by Roy F. Clough

Mr. Clough is the designer of the 50/800 Class.

Model yachting has been growing in this country slowly but surely for a good many years, but since the introduction of the Marblehead 50/800 Class it has gone ahead by leaps and bounds. Never since model yachts have been sailed has a class met with such instant favor and popularity as this class has. Originated in the Marblehead Model Yacht Club it is now built and sailed in nearly every club in the country.

It is a class that anyone can build. Easy to construct and balance and a pleasure to sail. A boat that can easily be carried with you and can be put inside of any car and also a class that can be found in practically every town or city in the country where model yachts are sailed.

I can not too strongly urge anyone whether he is a beginner or a seasoned model yachtsman to build the Marblehead 50/800 Class and not waste his time putting in long evenings and a lot of work only to find when he is done that he has a mongrel class boat on his hands and no class to sail it in while his friends who have built to the Marblehead Class rules can find plenty of competition in this class anywhere.

The Marblehead 50/800 Class is a standard class and has been officially adopted by the Model Yacht Racing Association of America. It is the official class of nearly every club in this country and even in clubs that have sailed only the big International A Class, the Marblehead Class is now being built and sailed. It has also been officially adopted by the Ryde Model Yacht Club, Isle of Wight, England, and the Douglas Model Yacht Club, Isle of Man. The Ryde Model Yacht Club was the first club in England to officially adopt this class. This club was founded in 1874, has a large membership and is one of the most progressive clubs in England.

The class has done more to boost the sport of model yachting in the last three of four years than anything has ever done before. With the simple rules governing the class, one does not have to be a naval architect. Any man or boy can build this boat and it is the simplicity of the rules and the ease of building that has made it the largest recognized class in the world today. It has been the means of starting many new clubs and it has also been the means of bringing some of the older clubs back to life.

In regard to building this boat I would advise the beginner to design and build his own boat. One of the thrills of model yachting is to see your boat begin to take shape on paper; then in different stages of construction to see your own ideas being worked out in wood and finally the finished boat. You will get ten times the thrill if you win one race with a boat you designed and built yourself than you will ever get by winning ten races with boat designed by someone else. When YOUR boat crosses the finish line first you can proudly say, “I designed and built that boat.” If you can not or do not care to design your own boat you may buy blueprints of some very fine boats for two or three dollars.

Now just a word about finishing your boat. While any boat will sail with any set of sails, it is important that some care be taken. A good set of sails, and by a good set I mean a set that has driving power, is important if you are to get the maximum amount of speed out of your boat. The finish of your hull is also important and it is no harder to do a good job than it is to do a poor one. Even a good set of sails will not drive a poorly finished hull through the water fast enough to win races. So in all stages of construction take your time and do a good job; a job you will be proud of.

If there is a model yacht club in your town or city you should join at once. If your town has a pond but no model club, form one. If three of four interested fellows get together and build a model apiece and sail it whenever they can, the applications for membership will soon start coming in and in no time you will have a booming club.

In conclusion I want to say, always be a good sportsman. Take your losses in the same spirit that you take your winnings. If you do this you will enjoy to the utmost the Sport of Model Yachting, The Greatest Sport in the World.

Hull Restrictions

Hull 50” overall ¼” leeway either side of 50” measurement allowed. Movable keel, fin keels centerboards bilge boards, lee boards, bowsprits and overhanging rudders prohibited. Not allowed to change weight of lead during a series. Bumpers are not included in overall length but are limited to ½” overhang.

Sail Area Measurements

Sail area not to exceed 800 square inches. No fore triangle measurements, only actual sail measurements measured

Regulations For Measuring:

All points of measurements shall be definitely marked by a black band 1/16” wide on spare or stay beond which the sail must not extend, such band to be put on by the measurer.

The formula for computing area of sails is as follows:

Headsail Or Jib: The product of the length of luff multiplied by the shortest distance between luff and clew divided by two (2).

Mainsail: When this sail is of a triangular shape the area is found by multiplying the length of the luff by the shortest distance between measuring mark at end of boom and the mast and the product divided by two (2).

Battens: Four battens not more than 4” long in mainsail and three (3) not more than 2” long in jib are allowed.

Headboards: Headboards are allowed not exceeding ¾” across base.

Spars: Any increase of sail area obtained by the use of bent spars will be measured as a bow and included in the sail area

Hollow spars are allowed.

Models must always sail with spars as measured.

Spars not to be included in the sail measurement.

The greatest diameter of the spars is limited to ¾”.

There are no restrictions as to Scantlings or materials.

The gaff rig may be used on the Marblehead Class, with sail area limited to 800 inches.

There is no limit to height of spar.

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Frequently Asked Questions

Where do you sail.

On Ryde Canoe Lake. For Satnav use Post Code PO33 1LE.

Is Car Parking available?

There is metered on-street parking by RMYC.

When do you sail?

Every Sunday morning throughout the year except Christmas Day.

Racing starts at 0930 but you need to check in by 0915. Racing is generally completed by 12 noon.

What sorts of boats are involved?

RMYC races only radio controlled Marblehead yachts.

I own a Radio Controlled Laser model yacht (or another class). Can I bring it down to race?

Informal model yacht sailing takes place on Wednesday mornings. You are welcome to join us then but otherwise the answer is unfortunately No.

What about model power boats?

The Isle of Wight Model Engineering Society has a pond for model boats at Northwood (Cowes).

Does RMYC cater for disabled sailors?

There is wheelchair access to the lake. There are public disabled toilet facilities approx 500m from the RMYC clubhouse.

Are the boats difficult to sail?

There are 2 basic radio controls: rudder and sheet. A degree of hand/eye coordination is needed, and reasonable eyesight. If you can already sail a full-sized yacht or dinghy that would help but several RMYC members have no previous sailing experience.

Do I need any qualifications before joining in the racing?

No formal qualifications are needed but before racing an understanding of the Racing Rules of Sailing is important. Books providing this are available from Yacht Chandlers or on-line.

Do I need Public liability insurance cover?

Yes. On joining RMYC an element of your annual subscription pays for membership of the national body The Model Yacht Association (MYA). This membership brings with it Public Liability Insurance

Where can I obtain a radio controlled Marblehead?

The Marblehead Class UK website:   https://marbleheadsailing.wordpress.com lists the most popular classes and suppliers. At RMYC, boats have been designed mostly by Bantock or Creed. The Model Yacht Association (MYA) website forum has a “Sales and Wants” page. https://mya-uk.co.uk/forums.

How much will I have to pay to get started?

Older 2nd hand boats can be obtained for as little as £200 or even less. However expect to pay between £500 - £800 for a reasonably competitive carbon fibre hull with the usual 4 rigs and a 2.4 ghz radio control system. A new boat suitable for competition at national level and above can cost £2500 and upwards.

How much it cost to join RMYC?

The present annual subscription is £25.00, payable in November and this includes MYA membership. Members pay an additional fee, currently £1.00, for each morning’s racing.

Who do I need to speak to to join?

Contact the Honorary Treasurer either at Ryde Canoe Lake on Sunday mornings or by email or message us Facebook.

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