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Reflex 38 Any Opinions please
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- Start date 30 Nov 2009
- 30 Nov 2009
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Anyone know anything about the Reflex 38 racing yacht please?
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savageseadog said: Anyone know anything about the Reflex 38 racing yacht please? Click to expand...
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I've raced against them and chatted with people who have raced on them. Quick on most points of sail but struggle to live up to their handicap in a decent chop. I am told that accomodation is apparently not very good with not enough berths for the number of crew required to race the thing and those are not in the right areas for weight distribution for the off watch crew either.
Reflex 38 I meant is built by Harley Race Boats and designer: Christian Stimson I was after the following: 1) Sailing quality in various wind conditions and directions? 2) Handicap on IRC ok or not? 3) Build quality, durability? 4) Comparisons with Prima 38? Anything else?
savageseadog said: Reflex 38 I meant is built by Harley Race Boats and designer: Christian Stimson I was after the following: 1) Sailing quality in various wind conditions and directions? 2) Handicap on IRC ok or not? 3) Build quality, durability? 4) Comparisons with Prima 38? Anything else? Click to expand...
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savageseadog said: 1) Sailing quality in various wind conditions and directions? Click to expand...
savageseadog said: 2) Handicap on IRC ok or not? Click to expand...
savageseadog said: 3) Build quality, durability? Click to expand...
savageseadog said: 4) Comparisons with Prima 38? Click to expand...
Judders said: I am told that accomodation is apparently not very good with not enough berths for the number of crew required to race the thing and those are not in the right areas for weight distribution for the off watch crew either. Click to expand...
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I own a Pronavia 38 - the cruising version of the Reflex 38, speak to www.sailinglogic.co.uk - RORC Yacht of the year this year and RORC school boat of the year for the last 5 years I believe. I cruise in my Pronavia 38 and its also raced, very fast cruising and it brings home the results on the race course - no complaints.
tomframe said: I own a Pronavia 38 - the cruising version of the Reflex 38, speak to www.sailinglogic.co.uk - RORC Yacht of the year this year and RORC school boat of the year for the last 5 years I believe. I cruise in my Pronavia 38 and its also raced, very fast cruising and it brings home the results on the race course - no complaints. Click to expand...
sailed the prototype pronovia about 3yrs ago - didn't perform well against the reflex - heavier v poor quality fit out inside (looked v nice though), hatches leaked, tack on No 1 pulled out etc etc. we were disappointed - hope the production boats got better. again - repeating advice above - go and talk to the folks at sailing logic
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The Reflex 38 got a full makeover as a cruiser-racer – step forward the Pronavia 38. Rupert Holmes reports.
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Many boats claim to be performance cruisers, but few make the grade. However, it’s instantly obvious that this design is different — it’s a true performance yacht, retaining the well-proven speed and stability characteristics of its predecessor, but with a completely redesigned and fully fitted lightweight interior. The new boat is available in two versions: a standard cruiserracer (as tested), or a high-performance model with a lighter foam laminate interior, plus carbon rig and rudderstock.
The Reflex 38 started life as a brief from Sir Robin Knox-Johnston’s Clipper Ventures company. He wanted a fleet of strong racing yachts, with ocean crossing capability, to train crews for roundthe- world voyages. The boat has proved to be one of the most successful designs of its size on the racecourse, both round the cans and offshore. For instance, Sailing Logic’s ‘Puma Logic’ was overall class winner in the IRC 1 RORC Series Championship in 2005, and finished third in class in that year’s Rolex Fastnet Race. In 2006 the same boat finished the selection trials for the Commodores’ Cup in second place, although controversially was not picked for the team.
Part of the original design brief of the Reflex was for high ultimate stability — the design has an AVS of 144 degrees. With the additional displacement of the Pronavia cruising version this is reduced by around five degrees, but is nonetheless still a very respectable figure. The 2.3m draught keel is an iron/lead composite structure, with a large bulb at the base giving a low centre of gravity. Add to that a ballast ratio of near 45 per cent for the raceboat (41 per cent for the cruiser) and you have a very stiff vessel with excellent sail carrying ability. A shoal-draught option of 1.75m is also offered.
The design excels in offshore events — as well successes in the Fastnet, the Reflex 38 has won its division crossing the Atlantic in the ARC and topped the field in the grueling Three Peaks Race four times running.
‘The new boat fulfills the potential the design always had,’ says designer Christian Stimson, ‘It has the benefit of a spacious and comfortable interior, without sacrificing performance.’ In part, this has been possible because the Reflex has a heavy low-tech 12mm plywood interior, so the redesigned interior is of similar weight, despite the huge improvement in comfort and sophistication. However, the extra equipment of the more cruising-oriented design, from a windlass to pressurised water systems, inevitably pushes the weight up. The IRC rating of the Pronavia comes out around 1.055, compared to the typical figure for a Reflex of around 1.067-1.069.
Rickard Eskilsson and Anders Ekstrand, who bought the Swedish boatyard six years ago, developed the Pronavia idea. Their search for a more up to date design led them to Christian Stimson’s Reflex 38; and they bought the moulds from Cowes-based builder Nigel Harley and commissioned stylist Roel de Groot to design the interior.
One of the key attributes of the Reflex 38 that has not changed is its structural strength. The laminate was engineered by SP Technologies to provide a balance between robust charter boat and performance racer, including a requirement to absorb the very considerable forces of running aground at 10 knots. The engineers’ calculations were proved accurate when a Reflex ran aground at speed on the wreck of the ‘Varvassi’ off The Needles — a hulk that claims raceboats almost every year. The impact left a large cauliflowershaped dent in the front of the foil, but incredibly there was no damage to the laminate structure or keel bolts.
Our test boat, ‘Seawolf’, was owned by Dave Latham of Atlantic Charters. The boat was based in the Solent area during summer 2006, before moving to Gibraltar for the winter season. Dave chose the Pronavia following a year’s experience of owning a Reflex 38. He was also drawn by the Swedish yard’s flexibility in incorporating his own requests into the build, yet the cost worked out around 20 per cent cheaper for a comparable specification. ‘Seawolf’ is fitted with almost all the available optional cruising comforts such as boarding ladder, cockpit shower and spray hood.
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Externally, the main differences between the Reflex and Pronavia are in the cockpit area, where the seats extend further aft and the coamings are more rounded. Additionally the Reflex’s big wheel is eschewed in favour of twin wheels and the entire area is decked in teak. The steering positions from each side are nothing short of excellent, and there’s no evidence that the smaller wheels result in high steering loads feeding through to the helm.
Deck gear is by Lewmar and Spinlock, with an upgrade to Harken available as an option. A German mainsheet system is led to winches just forward of each wheel, where they can be reached from the helm if short-handed, or by a dedicated mainsheet trimmer. Under-deck halyards help to create a neat and uncluttered layout, boosted by flush-fitting hatches. The coach roof does not unduly hinder deck work and the conventional alloy toe rail is cut flat aft of the shrouds for comfortable hiking — overall it’s a better proposition for round the cans racing than that of many popular cruiser-racers. There’s a liferaft locker under the sole at the aft end of the cockpit, with space for a few fenders etc, but otherwise locker space is restricted on three-cabin boats. Two cabin models, however, have a large cockpit locker aft of the heads compartment.
The keel-stepped double-spreader 9/10ths fractional rig is alloy on cruiser-racer versions and carbon on the all-out racer. ‘Seawolf’ is equipped with cruising laminate sails, by Royal Sails of Sweden. Many Reflexes gain a small rating advantage by sailing with a maximum 130 per cent genoa, although Stimson recommends a 140 per cent headsail for the Pronavia: ‘It’s needed because of the extra weight — about threequarters of a tonne — of the cruising gear compared to a stripped out boat.’
On the water
Our test took place on the Solent, in 12-15 knots of breeze, with frequent gusts to 20 knots. Upwind the helm has a delightful positive feel and the boat falls easily into a deep groove, even without crew on the rail. There’s every indication that the boat will fulfill the polars, which show roughly seven knots of boatspeed and tacking through 70 degrees in these conditions.
Bearing off and hoisting the spinnaker the boat again showed a good turn of speed, and excellent control. When spinnaker reaching the boat remained under complete control with no sign of broaching, even in the gusts. At all times she readily responded to the helm to bear away, with the rudder retaining a good grip on the water throughout.
Two basic layouts are offered, with a choice of two or three cabins, and a degree of customisation is possible. There’s intelligent stowage space throughout the boat — it’s plentiful and wellplanned — and the general feel is light and airy. Granted, there are more spacious 38-footers, but none will match the performance and handling of this boat. The finish throughout is also worthy of mention — the mahogany joinery is executed to a high standard and a careful effort has been made to avoid any exposed fibreglass.
Right forward in two of the versions is a large owner’s cabin, with a 2.14m double berth. The spacious saloon and chart table areas, to port of the main cabin, are identical in all versions, as is the port side aft guest cabin.
A two-cabin layout has a generously-sized heads compartment aft to starboard, with a truly excellent galley stretching along the whole starboard side of the main cabin. This has an abundance of worktop space, as well as huge, but well-organised, stowage capacity. Some linear galleys are a nightmare to work at sea on the ‘wrong’ tack, but the custom centre-line saloon bench that Dave specified for ‘Seawolf’ offers something to brace against and makes the galley totally usable at sea.
The standard three-cabin layout has a second, smaller, aft cabin to starboard, and a smaller heads compartment immediately ahead of this. ‘Seawolf’ has a slightly different arrangement, with the heads compartment forward of the mast at the expense of a smaller forecabin. This has the advantage of allowing a little more space in the starboard aft cabin, as well as maintaining a similarly-sized galley to that of the two-cabin boat.
Pronavia 38 Review: Verdict
With 10 boats sold already, the Pronavia concept is proving undeniably popular — with the marriage of the Reflex 38’s race-winning heritage and the new interior arrangements, this is a genuine dual-role performance design with the potential to win races both round the cans and offshore. Combining cruising comforts with the ability to plane in wind speeds over 20 knots is certainly appealing.
When sailed short-handed the boat’s high stability and sail-carrying ability will prove a real asset — a brisk, but relaxed, pace can be maintained with few sail changes.
Initially the boat has been deliberately undervalued to get attention and represents excellent value for money. Pricing will increase year on year so residual values are not a worry for buyers.
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Spirit of Barmouth has won the Magellan Three Peaks Yacht Race
Spirit of Barmouth (Reflex 38) and her relentless crew of sailors and runners has won the 2003 Magellan Three Peaks Yacht Race.
In brilliant sunshine, Andy Sanderson and Tony Hodgson ran down from Ben Nevis and raced over the finish line on Wednesday to complete an impressive win for ‘Spirit of Barmouth’. The pair had taken only 4 hours and 6 minutes on the run up and down Ben Nevis and according to Sanderson “were on a real high at the top”. Relieved that it was all over they jumped into the lock basin for a celebratory dip!
Tony only came into the race three weeks ago as a late replacement. Though he was a runner, he had never done any sailing before.
This will be a popular win, as the Reflex 38 carried the name of Welsh town were the race starts, and is organised from. Two of the crew, Ian Hudson and Dave Bird, both from Barmouth and on the Race Committee were overjoyed. This was a second victory for both of them. “We did this for Barmouth, we’ve won it for the town,” said Bird.
No stranger to this Race, the Reflex 38 has raced this course a number of times. This year ‘Spirit of Barmouth’s’ owner Geoff West, from Cowes on the Isle of Wight, was skipper and, with a committed crew, helmed her to victory. It was his third win in the race.
Geoff managed to sail ‘Spirit of Barmouth’ into Fort William with no engine to drop off the two runners and was surprised at the team’s success. “I didn’t think I was going to win it this year.” He added, “The runners on Hellefix looked so good and their boat speed is the same as ours so I wondered where we could beat them.”
Crew member, Ian Hudson had skippered the same yacht to win in the race two years ago, again in very calm conditions, and it was his suggestion to take an alternative course, through the Sound of Islay, which helped secure their win. It’s a tactic that has never succeeded in the race before, but this time it worked spectacularly well as their nearest challenger the Dutch yacht ‘Hellefix’ was left half a day behind.
Geoff explained, “No one has won this Race at the first attempt as there is a lot to learn. We were constantly coming to choices on tides and tactics and thinking we’d tried this last year and it worked OK. Then Ian suggested doing something different by going through the Sound of Islay and we had to think about that! It nearly didn’t work and had it failed we could have lost the race. Ian was a bit quiet at the time knowing his head was on the block.”
“Without using the oars we’d have been swept back into the Sound so those last few metres of rowing were the crux point of the race for us, and luckily we made it.”
Having won the race in storm Force winds last year his skills as a light wind sailor came to the fore this time. Describing their approach to the Corran Narrows, which come right at the end of the race, Hudson said, “It was flat calm and we couldn’t feel a breath of wind. The wind gauge read zero but Geoff had us moving at half a knot with the spinnaker. He was catching some breeze in the very top part of the sail, trying to keep momentum and we were all staying quite still on the deck so as not to disturb him. We were even whispering to each other. He did the same in the Sound of Islay to get us through. It was very skilful sailing.” Asked if he wanted to come back after his third win West just said, “Yes, of course.”
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Specifications REFLEX 38
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REFLEX 38 Sailboat Data
Hull Type: Fin w/bulb & spade rudder Rigging Type: Fractional Sloop LOA: 37.99 ft / 11.58 m LWL: 34.12 ft / 10.40 m S.A. (reported): 930.54 ft² / 86.45 m² Beam: 12.80 ft / 3.90 m Displacement: 13,962.00 lb / 6,333 kg Ballast: 6,283.00 lb / 2,850 kg Max Draft: 7.55 ft / 2.30 m Construction: FG Ballast Type: Lead First Built: 1999 Builder: Harley Raceboats (UK) Designer: Christian Stimson
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MEASUREMENTS
Description.
Originally designed by Christian Stimson and built by Harley Race Boats in Cowes.
This yacht has been privately owned for 16 years and has been professionally maintained throughout by the current owners and has been the subject of updating and also benefits from a good inventory of racing sails.
Set up for short handed cruising or racing as well as being set up for both assymetric and symetric spinnaker rigging.
Description
LOA: 11.58 mtrs / 37'6"
LWL: 10.40 mtrs / 33'8"
Beam: 3.89 mtrs / 12'6"
Draft: 2.30 mtrs / 7'4"
Displacement Weight: 6160 kgs.
IRC Rating : 1.031
Construction:
Hull - Isothalic resin Scott Bader 489PA
Deck - Balsa cored structure using polyester resin
Internal - Liner single skin polyester moulding
Keel - Lead & steel low centre of gravity keel
Yanmar 3JHSE 40hp (Fresh water cooled via heat exchanger with sea water input) Last serviced 2302 hours
Yanmar Sail Drive SD50 (New cones fitted 1799 hours New shaft seals 2179 hours)
Darglow 2 bladed 16" folding prop
Steering: Edson 60" Wheel
Fuel Capacity - 60 litres
Water Capacity - 70 litres Fiamma hard tank + 100 litre Plastimo soft tank
Electrical:
12volt Cabin Lights
12volt Red Night Lights in Saloon & Heads
40 w solar panel on roof
2 x 12volt 85 ah Domestic Battery
1 x 12volt 110 ah Engine Battery
Three Way Battery Isolator
BEP Matrix DC Meter Display
CD/radio with saloon & cockpit speakers
All in One 240volt AC 20 amp Battery Charger
240volt Shore Power Socket
Galvanic Isolater
Accommodation:
Ten Berths in total consisting of:-
Double Berth in Fore cabin
Port & Starboard Midship Berths with Pipe Cots above in Saloon
Port & starboard Quarter Berths with Pipe Cots above
Galley located Port Side Aft Saloon equipped with a stainless steel sink with cold taps, Theftford Gas Twin Burner, Cooker & Grill.
Separate Heads with Jabsco sea toilet, stainless steel sink with cold water tap.
Mast & Rigging:
Aluminium Z Spars mast with twin swept back spreaders 2015
Aluminium Z Spars boom 2015 & dipping spinnaker pole
Aluminium Selden retractable bowsprit
Twin groove foil on Facnor flat deck furler 2015
Tidesmarine mast track system with matching aluminium cars on mainsail 2015
Mainsail stack pack with lazy jacks and removable bonnet
Kap sails headsail cover
Sail inventory:
No. 1 sails - lightweight 135% - good condition
No.3 tafetta backed, as new 2015
Main two reefs good condition 2015
Code zero on Selden furler, good condition
A2 light spinnaker in yellow , good condition
A3 reaching spinnaker in black, good condition
Heavy weather sails (headsails on collapsible inner forestay) No 4 in Dacron
RORC compliany storm sail & tri sail in Dayglo orange
Additional:
No 3 Quantum in working condition
3x Symmetric spinnakers, 0.5oz, 0.9oz, 1.5oz.
No 1 delivery sail, working condition.
Quantum laminate Main delivery sail, working condition.
Deck hardware
2 x Harken 46ST speed sheet winches
2 x Harken 40, 2 speed spinnaker winches
2 x Harken 40, 2 speed self tailing halyard winches
10 Spinlock clutches
Harken towable genoa cars
All lines led aft to cockpit
2 x Genoa Halyards (1 Doubles as a spinnaker pole uphaul)
2 x Spinnaker Halyards
2 Main Halyards
Spinnaker Sheets & Guys
Genoa Sheets
Raymarine C80 Chart Plotter
Raymarine Hybrid touchscreen ploteer in cockpit
Advansea TR200 TX/RX AIS
Raymarine Tri Data (Wind, Depth & log) Instruments
Raymarine Smart Pilot with ST6001 Controller & Fluxgate Compass
Secondary Fluxgate Compasses Interfaced to ST40 Display
6 x ST6000 Displays in Cockpit & 2 NASA on mast.
1 ST6000 Multi Display @ Chart Table in saloon.
NASA Easy Navtext
Silva Bulkhead Compass
Plastimo hand held compass
Weems & Plath Chronometer & Barometer
CQR Anchor, chain & warp
Fenders & warps
Stainless Steel Pushpit, pulpit & double guardwires
Winch handles
Hydrovane self steering system (acts as secondary rudder to meet ISAF requirements)
Safety Equipment:
Seago 4 man valise liefraft (no longer in date)
ICOM DSC VHF Radio
Fire Blanket
Carbon Monoxide Monitor
1 x 12volt Bilge Pump
2 x Manual Bilge Pumps
Engine Count
Engine Horse Power
Engine Hours
Propeller Type
2 Blade, Bronze, Folding
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Displacement(kgs)
6160 kilograms
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Clipper Ventures to sell off Reflex 38s
- September 10, 2002
Clipper Ventures has announced plans to sell its Corporate Sailing Division and its ten-strong racing fleet of Clipper Reflex 38 yachts...
Clipper Ventures plc, the AIM listed marine events company chaired by Sir Robin Knox-Johnston, has announced plans to sell its Corporate Sailing Division and its ten-strong racing fleet of Clipper Reflex 38 yachts.
The corporate events and training division, launched in 1999, organise corporate hospitality, training and regatta events in and around the UK aboard the charter fleet of Clipper Reflex 38s, designed and built in the Isle of Wight by Christian Stimson and Harley Race Boats.
The sale is part of a five-year development strategy which will enable Clipper Ventures to focus wholly on its two key round-the-world events, the Clipper Race and Around Alone. The strategy will see Clipper positioned as the UK’s leading marine events company and includes plans to build a fleet of twelve 68ft, 18-berth Ed Dubois designed boats, costing an estimated ‘6m.
William Ward, Chief Executive for Clipper Ventures, said:
“This transaction will allow us to concentrate our abilities and will strengthen the position of Clipper Ventures as the UK’s leading organiser of round the world yacht races.”
“Focussing on our core business of round the world yacht racing is a most important step in our development strategy and is in-keeping with our commitment towards making the Clipper 2005 race the most international yacht race yet.”
Review of Prima 38
Basic specs..
The boat is typically equipped with an inboard Yanmar 3GM30 diesel engine at 28.0 hp (20 kW), which gives a max speed about 6.3 knots.
The transmission is a saildrive.
The fuel tank which is made of stainless steel has a capacity of 90 liters (23 US gallons, 19 imperial gallons).
Sailing characteristics
This section covers widely used rules of thumb to describe the sailing characteristics. Please note that even though the calculations are correct, the interpretation of the results might not be valid for extreme boats.
What is Capsize Screening Formula (CSF)?
The capsize screening value for Prima 38 is 2.10, indicating that this boat would not be accepted to participate in ocean races.
Prima 38 holds one CE certification:
What is Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed?
The theoretical maximal speed of a displacement boat of this length is 7.9 knots. The term "Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed" is widely used even though a boat can sail faster. The term shall be interpreted as above the theoretical speed a great additional power is necessary for a small gain in speed.
The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Prima 38 is about 267 kg/cm, alternatively 1496 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 267 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 1496 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.
Sailing statistics
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Maintenance
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Usage | Length | Diameter | ||
Mainsail halyard | 39.8 m | (130.4 feet) | 12 mm | (1/2 inch) |
Jib/genoa halyard | 39.8 m | (130.4 feet) | 12 mm | (1/2 inch) |
Spinnaker halyard | 39.8 m | (130.4 feet) | 12 mm | (1/2 inch) |
Jib sheet | 11.6 m | (38.1 feet) | 14 mm | (0.55 inch) |
Genoa sheet | 11.6 m | (38.1 feet) | 14 mm | (0.55 inch) |
Mainsheet | 29.0 m | (95.1 feet) | 14 mm | (0.55 inch) |
Spinnaker sheet | 25.5 m | (83.7 feet) | 14 mm | (0.55 inch) |
Cunningham | 5.5 m | (17.9 feet) | 12 mm | (1/2 inch) |
Kickingstrap | 10.9 m | (35.9 feet) | 12 mm | (1/2 inch) |
Clew-outhaul | 10.9 m | (35.9 feet) | 12 mm | (1/2 inch) |
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2021 Reflex Reefrunner
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- Updated: February 16, 2021
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As boat prices climb, one brand is bending the curve downward. Reflex America imports components from Reflex, New Zealand, and then assembles its boats in Southern California. The 24-foot-10-inch Reflex Reefrunner starts at $84,900.
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The Reefrunner performed well with a single 200 hp Mercury V-6 FourStroke outboard. Top speed was 41.5 mph, and it posted outstanding fuel economy—3.73 mpg at 4,000 rpm and 27.6 mph. Hydraulic steering made handling easy as we carved turns at speed. The deep-V hull sliced smoothly through choppy waters.
Interior and Accessories
This model features a quasi-pilothouse with a full-height tempered-glass windshield and sliding side windows, plus a cuddy cabin with a pair of 7-foot-long berths, portlight hatch and portable marine toilet. The hardtop features a manually operated shade extension for the cockpit, an overhead hatch, and a row of six rod holders.
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The helm on the starboard-side features an adjustable pedestal-mounted bucket seat, and a 23-inch-wide helm panel with a pair of Simrad GO7 combo displays, Mercury VesselView 403 display, Fusion Apollo stereo control head (controlling a pair of Fusion marine speakers) and Icom M220 VHF radio—all as standard. A companion bucket seat resides to port, facing the pocket door to the cuddy cabin.
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The cockpit features an aft-facing seat on the forward port side, plus a foldout transom bench seat, transom livewell, ski pylon, removable cutting board, and undergunwale rod racks. Hatches in the aft area allow inspection of bilge rigging, and snap-in cockpit carpeting is also standard.
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Step through the passage-way on the port side of the transom and deploy the telescoping stainless-steel boarding ladder to take a dip. To drop and retrieve the anchor, the Reefrunner uses a stainless-steel drum winch inside the anchor locker. The rode feeds over a roller on the integral pulpit. A stainless-steel rail wraps around the bow for safety when going forward.
How We Tested
- Engine: Single Mercury 200 hp V-6 FourStroke
- Drive/Prop: Outboard/Mercury Enertia 15″ x 15″ 3-blade stainless steel
- Gear Ratio: 1.85:1 Fuel Load: 50 gal. Crew Weight: 590 lb.
High Points
- Suggested retail price is not likely to deliver sticker shock.
- Double 7-foot-long cabin berths are well-suited to overnighting.
- Enclosed helm area will keep you dry and comfortable.
- Walkways along the side to the bow are narrow, but handrails on the hardtop offer places to hold on.
- Windshield wipers are an option you should order for a better forward view when taking spray.
Toughest Competitor
The Striper 230 Walkaround OB with the Alaska Package ($87,868 with a Mercury 200 Verado and similar electronics) offers comparable pilothouse helm protection and overnighting accommodations. Though about 2 feet shorter, it features a higher prow, greater fuel capacity, and easier access to the bow area.
Pricing and Specs
Price: | $84,900 (base with single Mercury 200 hp V-6 FourStroke outboard) |
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LOA: | 24′10″ |
Beam: | 8′5″ |
Draft: | 1′5″ |
Displacement: | 3,000 lb. (without power) |
Transom Deadrise: | 20 degrees |
Bridge Clearance: | 9′0″ |
Fuel Capacity: | 70 gal. |
Max Horsepower: | 300 |
Available Power: | Single or twin Mercury outboards up to 300 hp total |
Speed, Efficiency, Operation
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- Boat REF# · 64074
- Length · 11.58m
- Year · 1999
- Construction · GRP
- Underwater profile · Fin
- Sleeping berths · 10
- Engine · 1 x diesel 39hp, Yanmar 3JH 2E (1999)
- Lying · Isle Of Wight
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Designer | Christian Stimpson | Builder | Harley Race Boats | Lying | Isle Of Wight | Fuel capacity | 120.0 ltr (26.4 USG) Total - 1 Tanks | Water capacity | 150.0 ltr (33.0 USG) Total - 1 Tanks | Last survey | 01/08/2007 |
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Engine | 1 x diesel 39hp | Engine make and model | Yanmar 3JH 2E (1999) | Engine Hours | Not Recorded | Engine Cooled | Direct | Steering | wheel | Drive | saildrive | Prop(s) | Folding Prop | Fuel consumption (approx) | 3.0 ltr (0.7 USG) /hour At Cruising Speed | Cruising speed (approx) | 6 knots | Max speed (approx) | 8 knots |
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A new saildrive leg was fitted in 2008. Yanmar 3JH 2E – fully serviced Yanmar saildrive and folding propeller 2 x 105ah batteries (new 2007) 1 x 70ah battery (new 2007) 120 litre Diesel tank
Length | 11.58m | LWL | 11.52m | Beam | 3.90m | Draft Min | 2.30m | Draft Max | 2.30m | Displacement | 6,500kg (14,332.5lbs) | Headroom | 1.82m | Storage | On marina |
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Sloop rigged Z Spars Aluminium spars (1999) with Stainless Steel standing rigging (1999)
Reefing mainsail | North - Slab (2007) | Headsail | - Other (2007) | Other sails | Mainsail (2005) | Mainsail (1999) | Headsail No 1 (2007) | Headsail No 1 (2005) | Headsail No 3 (1999) | Headsail No 4 (1999) |
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Spinnaker gear |
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Included in the sale are a barely used 1999 Stormsail & Trysail. Three Spinnaker's 1 x 2007 and 2 x 1999 A new Boom has recently been fitted
Electrical Systems
12 volt battery, 3 batteries charged by: engine, shore power
Construction
Construction | GRP | Underwater profile | Fin | Finish | Gelcoat finish |
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This boat is MCA Cat 2 approved for 10 people. Hull was stripped of all paint in 2007, and treated with International VC Tar 2, and International Race Anti-fouling with Teflon. All skin fittings were also replaced. The Rudder was completely re built with new bearings etc in 2008.
Accommodation
Total # of berths | 10 | No. of double berths | 1 | No. of single berths | 8 | Cabin(s) | 1 | Sink | 1 | Heads | 1 heads (Manual) |
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The accomodation on this boat consists of a double berth in the forward cabin along with appropriate storage. There are 4 x single berths in the convertable saloon along with 4 x single cot berths aft. The Interior has just undergone refurbishment
2 burner propane Stove
Stove | Broiler | Oven | Sink | Non-Smokers |
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Sail cover | Rode | Fenders | Boathook |
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2 halyard winches 2 sheet winches 2 anchors (CQR) 10.00m of chain 40.00m of rode All the stantions have been replaced as well as the Stemhead being re strengthened. Lewmar adjustable Genoa car system Spectra Spinnaker sheets and guys Spectra Outhaul Spectra Kicker Spectra Main and Genoa Halyards (new 2007) 2 Self-tailing halyard winches, two-speed 2 Genoa winches, three-speed 2 Self-tailing Main Sheet winches, two-speed
Nav Equipment
Compass | Speed | Wind | VHF | GPS | Clock | Barometer | Navigation lights | Depth sounder |
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Raymarine ST60: Depth Speed Multi Wind Wind CH 20/20 Mast Repeaters x 2 Graphic display (new 2005) Autopilot (new 2005) Computer manager (2005) Masthead windex (new 2007) Garmin GPS 128 Simrad VHF
Safety Equipment
Fume detector | Life buoys | Searchlight | Danbuoy | Horn | Swim ladder | Emergency steering |
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3 bilge pumps (2 manual / 1 electric)
RORC Offshore flare kit – March 2005 2 x Horseshoes and lights (new 2007) RORC Danbuoy (new 2007) First Aid Kit (new 2007) 12 x Ocean Safety Sport Lifejackets (with lights and integral harness) and safety lines (serviced to April 2008) 3 x fire extinguishers (fully serviced)
Broker's Comments
£45,500 + vat and with only 10 of these ever made and this has to rank amongst the best of them, fully MCA Cat 2 coded with everything needed to race, she does cut extremely swiftly through the water and excellent use of the interior make her very spacious down below. She has just undergone an interior refurb as well as various upgrades etc including a new Pushpit. These boat details are subject to contract. Note: Offers on the asking price may be considered.
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I own a Pronavia 38 - the cruising version of the Reflex 38, speak to www.sailinglogic.co.uk - RORC Yacht of the year this year and RORC school boat of the year for the last 5 years I believe. I cruise in my Pronavia 38 and its also raced, very fast cruising and it brings home the results on the race course - no complaints.
August 28, 2000. Conceived as a competitive One-Design Offshore Raceboat, the Clipper Reflex 38 is compliant with all the ISO regulations for sailing charter yachts. This makes the Clipper Reflex 38 unique in that compliance was fundamental to the design concept, and no other raceboat attains this as a one-design class.
Design #25. Commissioned by Sir Robin Knox-Johnston Executive Chairman of Clipper Ventures LTD. Reported sail area includes main + 135% genoa. - Main: 45.51m² - 135% Genoa: 40.94m² - 110% Genoa: 29.16m² - Spinnaker: 114.10m² The Reflex was relaunched as the Pronavia 38 in 2004 with a completely new, more cruiser friendly interior.
Pronavia 38 Review: Verdict. With 10 boats sold already, the Pronavia concept is proving undeniably popular — with the marriage of the Reflex 38's race-winning heritage and the new interior arrangements, this is a genuine dual-role performance design with the potential to win races both round the cans and offshore.
The main attraction of the Reflex is the price. The asking price is £42,000 + VAT. That includes two sets of sails and all the charter gear. At that price it seems to be a lot of boat for the money. Agree that other boats may be more preferable, but the budget is not limitless, which rules out the likes of the HOD plus the Elan 37.
Reflex 38 Lynx Thread starter 09228; Start date Mar 2, 2011; ... There were ?6? boats orignally - all named after big cats. (Puma, Lynx, Tiger, Lion, Panther, Cheetah). Sistership Visit Malta/Puma Logic still does the business offshore (09 RORC yacht of the year, 3rd overall last year). Fit out is fairly basic - built for function, not style.
Spirit of Barmouth has won the Magellan Three Peaks Yacht Race. ... Extraordinary boats; Gear reviews; Boat tests; iPad navigation; Multihulls; Superyachts. ... Reflex 38 wins Three Peaks.
The Reflex 38 is a brilliant performer on the race circuit and was originally designed as a one-design offshore race boat. The Reflex 38 or 'clipper' is compliant with all the ISO regulations for sailing charter yachts and is unusual because it was designed specifically to meet these regulations. The Reflex 38 is a very stylish yacht which is ...
Find more information and images about the boat and contact the seller or search more boats for sale on YachtWorld. ... 2002 Reflex 38 38ft. €63,500 (US$69,130) Price Drop: US$544 (Nov 6) $589/month. Dalmatia, Croatia. Loans. Payment Calculator. ... Reviews. 4.9. Based on 374 reviews. Vann, South Carolina ...
A half-day sailing excursion (2 p.m. to 6 p.m.) around the Pakleni Islands allows you to fully experience the beautiful secluded coves of Hvar's archipelago of island. Enjoy sailing, swimming and diving in some of the most beautiful waters in the Adriatic Sea. The price includes a skipper, fuel, welcome drink, fresh water, fruit, diving masks and windbreakers. Bring your own swimsuits and ...
REFLEX 38 Sailboat Data Hull Type: Fin w/bulb & spade rudder Rigging Type: Fractional Sloop LOA: 37.99 ft / 11.58 m LWL: 34.12 ft / 10.40 m S.A. (reported): 930.54 ft² / 86.45 m² Beam: 12.80 ft / 3.90 m Displacement: 13,962.00 lb / 6,333 kg Ballast: 6,283.00 lb / 2,850 kg Max Draft: 7.55 ft / 2.30 m Construction: FG Ballast Type: Lead First ...
Reflex 38 for sale | 11.58m | 1999 | 1x diesel 39hp | GRP Construction | Fin underwater profile | 10 berths | Boat REF# 37465
The Reflex 38 was conceived as a one-design offshore race boat and commissioned by Sir Robin Knox-Johnson for the race training and corporate hospitality arm of Clipper Ventures. ... This boat has an enviable racing record winning Warsash Spring series and Class 2 in Cowes in its first year alone, many years of successful regatta and club ...
Buy a boat, Sell or list your boat for rent or sale, find berths, and more. Boats For Sale Power Boats Sail Boats. ... The Reflex 38 is 38 feet long and has a 13 feet beam and a draft of 2.3 meters. This 1999 diesel Reflex 38 powered by Yanmar 3JHSE with 40.0 horsepower. The Reflex 38 is made of fiberglass.
The corporate events and training division, launched in 1999, organise corporate hospitality, training and regatta events in and around the UK aboard the charter fleet of Clipper Reflex 38s, designed and built in the Isle of Wight by Christian Stimson and Harley Race Boats.
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The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Prima 38 is about 267 kg/cm, alternatively 1496 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 267 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 1496 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.
The Reflex 38 started life as a brief from Sir Robin Knox-Johnston's Clipper Ventures Company. He wanted a fleet of strong racing yachts, with ocean crossing capability, to train crews for round the- world voyages. The boat has proved to be one of the most successful designs of its size on the racecourse, both round the cans and offshore. For
As boat prices climb, one brand is bending the curve downward. Reflex America imports components from Reflex, New Zealand, and then assembles its boats in Southern California. The 24-foot-10-inch Reflex Reefrunner starts at $84,900. The port-side passageway makes it easy to move around on the Reefrunner. Courtesy Reflex America.
Reflex 38 for sale | 11.58m | 1999 | 1x diesel 39hp | GRP Construction | Fin underwater profile | 10 berths | Boat REF# 64074
Reflex 38 boat for sale, Sailing Yacht, £ 56.918 (€ 64.000). Private owners yacht from 2002! ... Bach Yachting International review. Request more information. I would like to receive a copy. Send. Seller's website Share this ad Print advertisement. Berth of the Reflex 38. Plan your route. Uvala Soline 1 ...
Used Boat, Sailing Yacht. Reflex 38. Jacht van particuliere eigenaren uit 2002! Save as favorite. EUR 63.500,-incl. VAT; 2002 Year Built; 11.58 m x 3.90 m Length x Beam; 2.30 m Draught; GRP Material; Location. Croatia » In verkoophaven. Comments 2002 Reflex 38, EUR 63.500,-Private owners yacht from 2002!Engine Yanmar 3JH3E, with only 600 ...
Coronet 38 Elvstrom 1982. Marina San Miguel, Tenerife (Spain) 45.000 €. See other similar boats. Technical data sheet of the second-hand Sailing cruisers for sale. Second-hand Reflex 38 with Yanmar engine, 11.79 m in length, and 3.81 m beam length. Second-hand Reflex 38 in Hampshire (United Kingdom). Sale of Sailing cruisers reference 48505.