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Ericson 23 Worth Buying??
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I'm just headed off to look at an Ericson 23, probably about 1976. Condition is probably neglected but not beyond some reasonable work. It has an older outboard, and a trailer. I was looking for a bigger boat, around 27, but I thought being a new sailor this might be a good boat to start with. Anyone have any knowlegde about this particular boat? Also, I'm concerned I might end up pouring a bunch of money into this boat, and end up with the price of a 27' foot boat, but have a 23' boat that is not worth near what I have into it. I don't have a feel for cost when it relates to fixing up a sailboat. Thanks in advance for any comments, I appreciate it.
I don't know a ton about Ericsons, but I have had my share of 22'-25' boats. I think 23' is a perfect starter size. 27', although only a few feet longer, is a much bigger boat that takes a little experience to handle (mostly docking) and certainly is not easily trailerable. But what ever you decide, you'll always have the problem of putting in more money than you'll ever get back. Whether it be 23' or a 40', it's the same problem. "A hole in the water......"
One idea, offer much less for the boat without the motor if you aren't sure and get a good used one or new. I'm guessing that for that size/age boat the motor and sails are actually what you are buying assuming the hull is ok (if it isn't, run, not walk away). I did that very thing since one of the things on my list was 'must get new/reliable' motor. I figured best way to do that was buy a boat without one and then get a new one. I spent roughly the same for the new motor as I did the boat. See my costs at the link below for an idea: http://www.sailnet.com/forums/buying-boat/30471-boat-dream-3.html#post125526
Thanks, appreciate the comments. I understand that boats are not an investment, and I'm prepared to maybe have the boat not be worth what I get into it, just I don't want to be wildly out there. Does anyone have any comments about this particular boat, Ericson 23, performance, etc.? The boat appears to be sound, somewhat neglected, plan to have someone who knows more look at it. The trailer looks serviceable, dual axle, some rust. I don't know the condition yet of the sails and outboard. The asking price is $3000. Thanks again.
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In an attempt to carve out a slice of the booming trailersailer market, Ericson introduced King's sprightly 23-foot sloop in 1968. Although the boat was designed to be trailerable, this was before the advent of the SUV and it was never intended to be hauled behind the family station wagon and dragged up to the lake for weekend outings. It is a real boat masquerading as a trailersailer and most 23s remained happily afloat all season. It is nice, however, to have the option of leaving the boat on a trailer during the off-season, saving ever-increasing yard storage fees. And should you get transferred, downsized, outsourced or just plain sick of sailing in the same place, you can hitch the trailer to a husky vehicle and head to sunnier climes.
There were two versions of the 23. The MK I, as it came to be called, was built until 1971 with around 140 boats launched. The MK II was introduced after a four-year hiatus. Approximately 270 more boats were built during a three-year production run. Most MK IIs were built as shoal-draft centerboarders. Prices for most used models fall between $2,000 to $4,000, making the Ericson 23 an exceptional used boat value.
First impressions Both versions of the Ericson 23 are good-looking boats. Each has a sweet, subtle sheerline, moderate freeboard and a sexy, sloping cabintrunk with two small portlights. The most obvious difference between models, aside from the centerboard, is the rudder. MK IIs have a transom-hung rudder while the MK I has the more common rudderpost mounted through the cockpit sole. The MK II deck is also a bit more flush, and the cockpit coaming boards of the MK I were exchanged for molded coamings. Although the MK II has a higher aspect sailplan, the mast on both boats is a beefy aluminum section, especially for a small boat, and is a bit of a load to hoist from the trailer, at least until you get the hang of it. Ericson used the same mast section on its 23, 25 and 27 models. The rig on the MK II translates into around 240 square feet of working sail area and that provides plenty of horsepower for the 3,200-pound Ericson 23. The MK II also came with a fixed keel however, as noted earlier, most were centerboard models. Naturally these latter models were easier for launching from a trailer and the less than 2-foot board-up draft makes the shallowest channels navigable. An optional hoist allows easy adjustment of the rudder, reducing drag downwind and depth for thin water sailing.
Construction The 23 features a solid fiberglass hull and a plywood reinforced deck. It may be small but in many ways the 23 is built like a bigger boat, Ericson didn't scale back on construction scantlings for its small boats. The port side main bulkhead is plywood and solidly tabbed to the hull. The starboard side is part of the hull pan. On MK I boats these bulkheads support the mast in lieu of a compression post. On the MK II model a compression post was added. The cabin sole is a molded pan and part of a liner that incorporates most of the interior furnishings. The fixed fin keel is bolted in place with backing plates on the MK I and the few MK IIs with fixed keels had internal lead for ballast. The centerboard is constructed around a steel web core with lead plates weighing 86 pounds and fiberglassed over.
What to look for Bob Boe, a recently retired math teacher from Lynchburg, Virginia, sails his Ericson 23 on nearby Smith Mountain Lake. Boe, who recently completed an offshore passage with me, is a fine sailor and honed his skills on his Ericson 23. To say he is passionate about the boat is putting it mildly. He heads up the Ericson 23 association and has compiled a trove of information including copies of the original manual. You can contact him at [email protected] . When looking at old Ericson 23s, Boe suggests that you should check the main bulkhead for signs of rot and delamination, particularly the port side. The port side chain plates may have leaked and over the years softened up the plywood. Some boats will have a sister plate to help transfer the load between bulkheads. Boe also suggests that you carefully inspect the centerboard. He and a friend rebuilt his last year and it was not a small undertaking. Naturally, any boat that is more than 30 years old will have gelcoat cracking and crazing. Check the standing rigging, some old trailerable boats still have the original rig. On deck The cockpit is comfortable and well set up for easy and efficient sail handling. The Mark IIs, with the transom-hung rudder, have a bit more space and legroom. Some early boats had a U-bolt on the cockpit floor for attaching the mainsheet, although most were delivered with either an optional traveler or a cabintrunk-mounted triangle mainsheet. While the main halyard is typically raised at the mast, the genoa halyard and centerboard pendant are accessed from the cockpit. The boat is ideal for singlehanded sailing, as everything is reachable from the tiller. There are two good-size cockpit lockers. Also, MK I models have a cut out in the transom for the outboard while MK II models will typically mount the engine on a bracket. The side decks are narrow and bit tricky to navigate with the low slung flush deck. Lifelines were optional and there are few good handholds. However, you must remember that this is a small boat, the stays are just a quick reach away as you make your way forward, and swinging forward of the mast is just another step. Deck hardware is light but adequate. It is interesting to look at the original brochure, the option list includes pulpits, masthead light, even the outboard motor bracket.
Down below There isn't much down below on the 23 and what there is needs to be discovered from a deep crouch, headroom is just over four feet. But you are not buying an Ericson 23 to live aboard, at best the interior provides a couple of decent bunks for camping out, a place to get out of the rain and a small galley for heating up coffee and light meals. The plan is straightforward with a V-berth forward. MK II models may have a head tucked behind the partial port bulkhead. The saloon has facing settees and a table can be mounted on the bulkhead. The galley is aft to starboard and includes a sink and usually a single or double burner stove top. The interior is nicely trimmed in mahogany on early boats and later in teak. This joinerwork separates the Ericson 23 from other plastic, stamped-out trailersailers of the same period. The 23 feels like a real boat.
Underway "The second best thing about the Ericson 23 is the way she sails," Boe said. "She's a great performer and is still winning races." Incidentally, according to Boe the best thing about the 23 is "her drop dead gorgeous looks, she has a beautiful profile in the water." Boe races his 23 MK I aggressively and sails to his 222 PHRF rating consistently. With a 19-foot, 6-inch waterline length the hull speed is just under 6 knots. Boe notes that his boat balances easily, even with a big headsail. Some boats will have tracks long enough to flatten out a 150-percent genoa. "The boat really comes alive in light air with a 150-percent," Boe said. "Under most conditions, when the sails are trimmed well the helm has a light, two-finger feel with good feedback and little strain on the helmsman." He also notes that weather helm can build in a puff but is easily controlled by traveler or mainsheet adjustment.
Engine An outboard engine was not provided by Ericson, that was up to the owner and today's boats have a wide variety of engines perched astern. Boe exchanged his 7.5-horsepower Evinrude for a 5-horsepower Mercury to save a few pounds. "I find the 5-horsepower will push the boat along at hull speed at about four-fifth throttle in a reasonable calm," he says. "I only miss the bigger engine when motoring into a choppy sea." One key advantage of an outboard is that when they need service you can loosen the clamps and haul it home or to the shop.
Conclusion The Ericson 23 is an especially handsome boat that is easy and rewarding to sail. It is inexpensive to purchase and maintain. It's a perfect starter boat and as your skills develop it can be raced with some success. Best of all, it's a boat that you will be proud to call your own.
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Ericson 23 2
The ericson 23 2 is a 22.92ft masthead sloop designed by bruce king and built in fiberglass by ericson yachts (usa) between 1975 and 1979., 270 units have been built..
The Ericson 23 2 is a light sailboat which is a good performer. It is stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a day-boat.
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Model | Ericson 23 2 | ||
Length | 22.92 ft | ||
Beam | 7.92 ft | ||
Draft | 3.67 ft | ||
Country | United states (North America) | ||
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Sail area / displ. | 18.33 | ||
Ballast / displ. | 38.71 % | ||
Displ. / length | 186.64 | ||
Comfort ratio | 14.82 | ||
Capsize | 2.18 |
Hull type | Monohull fin keel with transom hung rudder | ||
Construction | Fiberglass | ||
Waterline length | 19.50 ft | ||
Maximum draft | 3.67 ft | ||
Displacement | 3100 lbs | ||
Ballast | 1200 lbs | ||
Hull speed | 5.92 knots |
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Rigging | Masthead Sloop | ||
Sail area (100%) | 243 sq.ft | ||
Air draft | 0 ft | ?? | |
Sail area fore | 147.32 sq.ft | ||
Sail area main | 94.99 sq.ft | ||
I | 29 ft | ||
J | 10.16 ft | ||
P | 25.33 ft | ||
E | 7.50 ft |
Nb engines | 1 | ||
Total power | 0 HP | ||
Fuel capacity | 0 gals |
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Headroom | 0 ft | ||
Nb of cabins | 0 | ||
Nb of berths | 0 | ||
Nb heads | 0 |
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Builder | Ericson Yachts (USA) | ||
Designer | Bruce King | ||
First built | 1975 | ||
Last built | 1979 | ||
Number built | 270 |
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Greetings: I picked up a 1976 Ericson 23 with a swing keel. Does anyone know how many models of the 23,s there were in 1976?? I had read of a Mk1-is there a wayto deciper the HIN (Hull ID Number) Thanks
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E 23 Models I am in the process of restoring a 1968 Ericson 23, Mk 1, Hull #10. I am reasonably certain the Mk-1 was not made much later than 1970. The Mk-2 changes included adding the option for a swing keel vs. a fixed keel, which on the Mk-1 was cast iron, not lead.
Seadog... You have a Mk 2. There were two iterations, the '68 to '71 boats were just called Ericson 23s, then when the factory began making the second generation vessels they started calling them E-23 Mk 2s. These were produced from '75 to '78. My hull number is ERY23312M76D denoting: ER(icson)Y(achts)23(length)312(112th one produced, as numbering for Mk 2s started at 200)M(monthly ID system)76(year)D(month produced, starting with A for August, B for September, etc.)The Mk 1 boats have a rudder post through the cockpit floor, symmetric layout in the cabin, fixed keel only. They are beautiful and rugged boats, and many were/are sailed in the testing conditions of SF Bay. The Mk 2 boats have a taller rig with a shorter boom, a slightly more rounded cabintop, transom hung rudder, and came in fixed keel or shoal keel/centerboard models. The latter was Ericson's attempt to offer a "trailerable" entry level sailboat. Once you have launched or recovered this boat, you know that it is not one you trailer to the lake for an afternoon sail, however. The mast is heavy and the boat is too, and once a year is about my limit on launching.The boats are very sweet sailers, able to move in light air but very solid in a blow. A number of them are still competitive across the country in club handicap racing. In my opinion, a good used E-23 offers more performance, quality, beauty, and safety for the dollar than anything out there. There is an active owners organization, a semi-monthly newsletter (free), and manual reprints are available. If you want to know more, check out EricsonYachts.org, go to owners and projects, and search the 23s. Mine is "TigerEye". You bought a great boat.
Thanks-Bob (Virginia) Just a short note to say thanks-you have been abig help and I,am going to look in to that group that you talked about.Thanks Bob Seadog
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Among the changes from the ERICSON 23-1: A transom hung rudder, higher aspect rig, and lower profile coach roof. A keel-centerboard version was, by far, the most popular. ... Like the LWL, it will vary with the weights of fuel, water, stores and equipment. A boat's actual draft is usually somewhat more than the original designed or advertised ...
The Ericson 23-2 is an American trailerable sailboat that was designed by Bruce King as a cruiser and first built in 1975. [1] [2] [3] The design was originally marketed by the manufacturer as the Ericson 23, but is now usually referred to as the Ericson 23-2 to differentiate it from the earlier 1969 Ericson 23-1 design.
S. SailNet Archive Discussion starter. 87689 posts · Joined 1999. #1 · Apr 2, 2007. I'm just headed off to look at an Ericson 23, probably about 1976. Condition is probably neglected but not beyond some reasonable work. It has an older outboard, and a trailer. I was looking for a bigger boat, around 27, but I thought being a new sailor this ...
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The 23 features a solid fiberglass hull and a plywood reinforced deck. It may be small but in many ways the 23 is built like a bigger boat, Ericson didn't scale back on construction scantlings for its small boats. The port side main bulkhead is plywood and solidly tabbed to the hull. The starboard side is part of the hull pan.
Sep 22, 2016. #7. Ericson 23 MkII, Swing Keel. Frank Langer said: Given your needs, you still might want to consider a San Juan 23 swing keel, which is a good sailboat, and easier to trailer than a swing keel. There are several on that lake as I recall. Build quality is probably similar to Ericson.
The Ericson 23 2 is a 22.92ft masthead sloop designed by Bruce King and built in fiberglass by Ericson Yachts (USA) between 1975 and 1979. 270 units have been built. The Ericson 23 2 is a light sailboat which is a good performer. It is stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a day-boat.
Sailboat data, rig dimensions and recommended sail areas for Ericson 23-2 sailboat. Tech info about rigging, halyards, sheets, mainsail covers and more. Sailboat Data directory for over 8,000 sailboat designs and manufacturers. Direct access to halyards lengths, recommended sail areas, mainsail cover styles, standing rigging fittings, and lots ...
Boat is in Ashland, Oregon. 1975 Ericson 23-II Sailboat. This is the model with the shoal draft keel and centerboard which enhances it's gunkholing abilities and trailerability. The double axle trailer for this boat is included. Also includes 9 bags of sails original, spinnaker gear, Evinrude 7.5 hp outboard, a brand new ...
E 23 Models I am in the process of restoring a 1968 Ericson 23, Mk 1, Hull #10. I am reasonably certain the Mk-1 was not made much later than 1970. The Mk-2 changes included adding the option for a swing keel vs. a fixed keel, which on the Mk-1 was cast iron, not lead.
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The Ericson 23-1 is an American trailerable sailboat that was designed by Bruce King as a cruiser and first built in 1969. [1] [2] [3] The design was originally marketed by the manufacturer as the Ericson 23, but is now usually referred to as the Ericson 23-1 to differentiate it from the unrelated 1975 Ericson 23-2 design.
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2. Ericson 27. r32_damax. The Ericson 27 debuted in 1971 with a displacement of 6,600 pounds and plenty of stability in the masthead sloop. The boat is roughly 27 feet long and sits about four feet in the water. Many love this design since it navigated through choppy waters and responded to wind changes well.
Project boat. Trailer, outboard, mainsail, RF Genoa, new gennaker. Deck, mast prepped for painting, primed with Interlux 2-part. ... Among the changes from the ERICSON 23-1: A transom hung rudder, higher aspect rig, and lower profile coach roof. A keel-centerboard version was, by far, the most popular. Draft (max.) 5.16' / 1.57m
Hi all- I took the plunge this weekend and bought myself a 1976 Ericson 23-MKII sailboat. I hauled it, launched it and got it moored with a buddy on Lake Superior, and that alone was a heck of an adventure. Any advice, or any other Ericson 23 owners out there? The guy I bought the boat had lots of info on the boat and even the original owners ...
Buy Ericson 23. Ericson 23 for sale on DailyBoats.com are listed for a range of prices, valued from $8,000 on the more basic models to $8,000 for the most expensive. The boats can differ in size from 7.01 m to 7.01 m. The oldest one built in 1975 year. This page features Ericson boats located in countries: United States of America.
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